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May 01, 2019 22:04:41

Will George RR Martin write an ending of The Song of Ice & Fire or is he too bored/too rich/too old

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Today I have to break my @brianball 's list of 20 topics streak as there are truly urgent issues to be discussed!

This is a "short story long" to the comments to @basilesamel post Five Movies. All was caused by apt words: 

the siege at the end of the movie [The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers] always gives me goosebumps. I was so happy when I felt the same vibes in last week's Game of Thrones episode [season 8 episode 3: The Long Night].

And here... my GoT emotional bomb exploded...                                       

I have been crazy about The Song of Ice and Fire for almost a decade. Reading the books was actually a journey on its own.

Here they are:                                                                                                                   A Game of Thrones (1996). 2 yers later A Clash of Kings was published (1998). Then  again it took another 2 years for A Storm of Swords (2000). A Feast for Crows (2005) took 5 years. And A Dance with Dragons (2011) another 6. 

For the next one, The Winds of Winter, we have already be waiting for eight years. On top of all that TWoW was not supposed to be the final, concluding all the plots, part. There was the seventh, A Dream of Spring, planned.

Though things are in flux...

Martin is only firm about ending the series with the seventh novel "until I decide not to be firm". 

So... we know exactly... nothing.

Then, in April 2011, premiered the tv series: Game of Thrones. (Already the title different than the books' saga: The Song of Ice and Fire.) A new season was released every year. Not bad considering the size of the enterprise, and... pretty merciful (not like a torment of Westworld already spread every 2 years). But that meant that George RR Martin had ONLY a few years to finish the 6th book. Yeaaaah...

"(...) in early January 2016 Martin confirmed that he had not met an end-of-year deadline release..."

"In February 2016, Martin stated that he dropped all his editing projects except for Wild Cards, and that he would not be writing any teleplays, screenplays, short stories, introductions or forewords (empty empty promises) before delivering The Winds of Winter."

"In April 2018, Martin announced in a blog post that The Winds of Winter would not be published in 2018."

There are a lot of dark chapters right now ... I've been telling you for 20 years that winter was coming. Winter is the time when things die, and cold and ice and darkness fill the world, so this is not going to be the happy feel-good that people may be hoping for. Some of the characters are in very dark places.

And so are we... 

So while β€œGeorge RR Martin is in hiding. (...) in a remote mountain hideaway whose location he refuses to disclose" we are struggling, not being able to accept The Long Night(*), where we have found ourselves.

So this is my actual comment in the comments:

Yes, it(*) is a "good movie", really well done, maybe a bit too exalted for my taste. Yet it was not supposed to be a "good movie", it was supposed to be a catharsis of 7,5 seasons of building a story! And... it went "puff"...

When the series went beyond the books I was expecting that there would be some alignment between the script and "the story to be written", but already watching the 6th season I realised that this is not the case. The show immediately changed into that cheesy, "nobody important dies, we do try to make a twist from time to time, but it doesn't really work too well" story. (No place there for "Top 10 MOST SATISFYING DEATH SCENES".)

And... referring to book(s), I was not giving up hope for years, now I must confess with horror and despair, I am not sure if anybody believes any more that GRR Martin will write the end... will he even live long enough?

Well, he promises... but so did they (David Benioff, D. B. Weiss)... They all promised the Prince/Princess that was Promised... Azor Ahai! And...???

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    @lucjah - My sister spent a whole half hour saying exactly what you said with a few cuss words for the gentleman for taking forever. She has read all the books and likes them even better than the shows. She is praying the dude releases the rest of the books which she told me could be a show better than GOT.

    Keni avatar Keni | May 01, 2019 21:43:25
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      @keni Yes, the books are so much richer, but of course you cannot convey all the information into 10 or 8 episodes, but the 5 first series were quite close to the books. The atmosphere, the manylayerdness was there, starting from the 6th it is exactly like @keenencharles wrote: "it lacked the intricacy and depth of the books and earlier seasons. To me, it felt like Benioff and Weiss had the main plot points GRRM gave them and were just going from point A to B."

      Lucjah avatar Lucjah | May 02, 2019 12:29:37
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      @lucjah @keni - other the bitter taste of indignation as it rots our clenched teeth.

      Brian Ball avatar Brian Ball | May 02, 2019 06:20:24
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    @lucjah I agree with everything you said. Once they passed the books the show really felt different. I still enjoyed it but it lacked the intricacy and depth of the books and earlier seasons. To me, it felt like Benioff and Weiss had the main plot points GRRM gave them and were just going from point A to B.

    My big hope is that seeing someone else finish his story will inspire GRRM to write. Maybe he'll be so upset he writes day and night and finishes both books in a few years. One can dream...

    Keenen Charles avatar Keenen Charles | May 01, 2019 17:55:43
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      @keenencharles So well said! EXACTLY! It became shallow, showing just events with no lining, no hints of motives, not much characters development... Yea...

      Lucjah avatar Lucjah | May 02, 2019 12:20:52
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    @lucjah I laughed :D You should become a critic, I would read everything

    Basile Samel avatar Basile Samel | May 01, 2019 23:03:21
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      @basilesamel oh wooow... thank you! THAT's a prise! Unless it's a joke :-)))

      Lucjah avatar Lucjah | May 02, 2019 12:15:54
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      @lucjah - it's not a joke.

      Brian Ball avatar Brian Ball | May 02, 2019 06:21:09
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      @brianball <blushingsobadthatatomatofeelsashamed>

      Lucjah avatar Lucjah | May 02, 2019 18:30:07
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    @lucjah I came here to read and comment, and I realized that there might be a spoiler in there... So here I am, at the bottom of the page, I jumped here rather than scrolled, and I won't go back to it until I watch the 5 and a half missing seasons πŸ˜›

    PhilH avatar PhilH | May 01, 2019 22:54:53
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      @philh omg... it might take longer than for GG Martin to write the ending... and we cannot talk about any of that for all of that time... <rollingeyes>

      Lucjah avatar Lucjah | May 02, 2019 12:15:12
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